Ian: As much as men would love to make their women orgasm from penetration (though not much success recorded overall), it is a relief for men who know that theres another way to make her reach orgasm by genital masturbation. It is one way to ease sexual frustrations. JANE: My personal experience is that orgasm is only possible when alone. Understanding is fraught due to the incorrect assumption that women are aroused with a lover just as men are. Sadly only male arousal is needed for reproduction to occur. Paul: Its strange you are using personal experience as an example which seems like a scientific metric or thought of any mathematical consequence. Maybe you ARE the norm or maybe you are the EXCEPTION. But telling the populace that women dont achieve orgasm unless they are alone? WOW JANE: The research that ignited the hype over female orgasm concluded that it occurred most reliably when women masturbated alone. The clitoris is not a natural part of heterosexual activity. JANE: If you know any WOMEN who can explain the anatomy & erotic turnons involved in female orgasm, please ask them to contact me. As lovers of women, even men should know these facts! Ian: Just because the women in your sphere of research are not open about it, doesnt make it a fact. We are on differing divides of the globe it would seem. JANE: More likely men and women have very different perspectives on sex. I have not found a single woman who can explain these orgasms men think women should have with a lover. JANE (cont): I provide the facts & logical explanations for those who can handle them. If you can’t, then please go back to your erotic fiction. I am not trying to persuade anyone. For many people, this is a political debate rather than a scientific one. Paul: Ok I honestly missed the porno part. I think thats acting (badly mostly) and nothing more. Sorry. Ian: My submissions were not based on porn videos. Those videos go through editing processes, and some sex styles or angles portrayed in the videos can only happen in the videos because, when the act is on, it wont be comfortable positioning for the people involved. JANE: Real women copy the porn because they think they are supposed to respond like that. But all the screaming & movement replicates the resistance scenario, which arouses men because intercourse was originally an act of male assault. Women have no response to consensual intercourse. Ian: Whats with the goosebumps that becomes visible around the areolas and even in some cases all over a womans body in anticipation of sex and the slight swelling of the female genitalia when sex is about to happen between friends? … not lovers. Can you answer me this? JANE: So do you get goosebumps? Is that what provides evidence of your arousal? Does an erection count for so little? Mental arousal causes blood to flow to the penis. But the clitoral organ does not trap blood as the penis does. The key issue is that women are not aroused as men are. Ian: Heavy breathing and muffled pleasure sounds. JANE: Do you know any women willing to explain these vague indications of pleasure? Celebrating our ability to enjoy eroticism