Kelly : I orgasm from vaginal intercourse in a certain position where the penis hits the internal part of the clitoris. JANE: Orgasm comes at the end of activity focused on achieving it. The stimulation that causes orgasm must continue until orgasm & then cease. Intercourse can never provide the receiver with an orgasm because it ends with male orgasm. JANE (cont): The blood in the corpora cavernosa needs to be firmly massaged not thumped against. A woman needs to continue intercourse until a man ejaculates for reproductive reasons. So I don’t think you are having an orgasm. Maybe just nice sensations. Kelly: Ok. First rule of sexuality education: you shouldnt tell someone what their experience is or isn’t. You are saying 100% of women never have an orgasm from intercourse. Kelly (cont): I live in my body and I am in tune with my body, my sexual response cycle and I know when I have had an orgasm and when something just feels nice. JANE: First rule of education of any kind. You need to learn some facts! Kelly: I have a Master’s Degree in Human Sexuality Education. Unfortunately my Mom died suddenly and I was unable to finish. I have been doing this work for almost 30 years. Kelly (cont): I am familiar with research and have been lucky enough to work with and learn from some of the best in the field. I am far from sexually ignorant. Had I been an average person and not a sex educator and you told me that what I know was an orgasm was not an orgasm, Kelly (cont): it could have really changed how I feel about my experience in a negative way. I tried to have an honest conversation with you and you came back with absolutes about my experience of which you know nothing. Please be careful about how you address these issues with people. JANE: You cannot orgasm from stimulation over which you have no control. This is a fact. Intercourse only lasts for as long as a man has an erection. You cannot determine how long that will be. It could be 2 minutes it could be 3 minutes. How do you manage to orgasm every time just as your partner is ejaculating? It’s not possible. JANE (cont): Anyone who can orgasm does not need to go on a course. Men want women to orgasm from intercourse because they want women to offer it. Saying that you stimulate the clitoris through the vagina is like saying men stimulate the penis through the testicles. JANE (cont): If men need direct stimulation for orgasm, then women will certainly need the same. The clitoris is not nearly as sensitive as the penis because it doesn’t have the same mechanism for trapping blood. This is why the clitoris was discovered by Kinsey & not couples in the general population. You say nothing of sexual pleasure or of eroticism such as fantasies. Orgasm is a response to eroticism. JANE (cont): Women boast about orgasm. Men talk about erotic turnons. You are perpetrating sexual ignorance. Women have no interest in sexual discussions apart from boasting about orgasms they think they should have. If they were responsive, then they would be interested in discussing eroticism, sexual pleasure and fantasies all of which are key to achieving orgasm. Celebrating our ability to enjoy eroticism