Jessica: Uh, WTF is this!! ?? finger shake womens lack of arousal and orgasm with a lover? JANE: I am talking about responding to erotic stimuli. Orgasm is a specific response. What erotic turnons do you use to achieve orgasm? Jessica: What erotic turnons? I like to call it good dick or cock, whichever. And really good head!! Have a good night. You have to sit there with a partner for a long time maybe it doesnt work every single time JANE: Women need to discuss orgasm without getting angry & defensive. Clitoral stimulation doesnt work with a lover for many reasons! JANE (cont): Women are not aroused. If the clitoris provided orgasm with a lover, women would have no reason to accept intercourse & the human race would die out! Jessica: Who are you to arbitrarily say what women need to do? Why? For what reason? Clitoral stimulation doesnt work? What?!!! I honestly cum. And sometimes that takes work! It takes a long time sometimes. How about sitting for 30 min with his hand wrapped around until clitoral orgasm! JANE: Women achieve orgasm by pressing down either side of the labia & clenching the buttocks to pressure the internal clitoral organ. Similar to male technique. Jessica: Whoa! Im a hippy pretty much. Tantra, yoni massage, all of it, it works. Mmmm, yes but it most definitely is an orgasm. Jessica (cont): Youre right though, clitoral orgasm is similar to male orgasm perhaps. Men enjoy that stuff if theyre open and receptive to it as well as women enjoy it. JANE: Orgasm is a specific response to eroticism not just nice feelings. Women talk about the emotional and sensual aspects of sex! JANE (cont): Female orgasm occurs during masturbation alone. Nature has no reason to provide for female orgasm with a lover. It is just male ego and fantasy! Jessica: You know thats not true! You want to argue subjective interpretation? Its almost as fun as not talking at all. I think Im right because blah blah blah Dedicated to womens enjoyment of sexual pleasure