Simen: All women I was ever with, were motivated to obtain their own stimulation. JANE: What anatomy did they want you to stimulate? Did they articulate this verbally? What erotic turnons did they need to get aroused? Can you be more explicit please? Or are you just assuming that reality is supposed to reflect porn? Even in plants, the male is the proactive part. Simen: You are of course right that it is most normal that men are the proactive part. Still, most of the lovers I ever had, did take initiative to their own pleasure. They simply can’t help themselves, using my cock like it was their dildo. Simen (cont): My last girlfriend told me that when she was biking home from our first date, she had to stop by the forest, went a bit into it so she was alone, and masturbated until she orgasmed. To me, there is a clear trend that it is women who is the sexual animal. JANE: Many males, however, basing their concepts on their understanding of coitus and upon their conceit as to the importance of the male genitalia in coitus, imagine that all female masturbation must involve an insertion of fingers or of some other object into the depths of the vagina. Kinsey JANE (cont): females who had used fingers or other objects in vaginal penetrations did so because they wanted to entertain their male partners who found it erotically stimulating to observe this type of masturbatory activity. Kinsey JANE (cont): many of the clinicians have expended considerable effort trying to teach their patients to transfer ‘clitoral response’ into ‘vaginal response. JANE (cont): many thousands of the patients of certain clinicians have consequently been much disturbed by their failure to accomplish this biologic impossibility. Kinsey JANE (cont): Three quotes from Kinsey for you in case you have any interest in the facts & the research findings. You are living in fantasyland. There are no women who can explain these orgasms men think women have. Neither can men explain the erotic turnons JANE (cont): that women use to achieve arousal. No arousal = no orgasm. Women orgasm alone but not with a partner due to lack of arousal. Sex is about reproduction & male orgasm is vital to that process. Female orgasm is an optional pleasure that a woman enjoys alone. Simen: I know Kinsey from before, and none of these quotes support your assumptions. Women can have both clitoral and vaginal orgasms. You are obviously trying to discredit Simen (cont): the experience of millions and millions of women. You do not want to find out what the reality of female sexuality is. What you say is simply not true. To claim that all women fake, is also a misogynistic thing to say. An interesting & fun way to learn about sexuality for all