Karl : RE your statement: Cunnilingus = oral stimulation of the clitoral glans does not cause orgasm. My girlfriend would have disagreed with your claim. She was only able to achieve orgasm with cunnilingus. Karl : RE your statement: Pornography is a male masturbation aid. The wife of a fellow student at my MA grad school once divulged that she enjoyed watching pornography. She maintained it had something to do with its illicitness. I admit I have no idea of whether this figured in her marital sex. JANE: Men love to speak on women’s behalf. Your secondhand accounts from the women you know give no indication that these women ever reach orgasm from any of the activities you mention. You have to be able to explain why pornography is censored in every society on the planet. Women talk of love, relationships and lovemaking. Karl : Are you really suggesting that my girlfriend didn’t really climax from cunnilingus? What would you regard as evidence? As for my classmate’s wife, I made no claims regarding orgasms but merely reported that she said she enjoyed watching pornographic films. JANE: Men assume that women orgasm simply because the stimulation ceases. If they had an orgasm, there would be visible signs. What erotic turnons cause female arousal? If you cannot answer that question, then women are not aroused and hence not having orgasms with a lover. Men’s turnons are very evident because men are aroused with a lover. Women are not. Karl : With my grad school girlfriend (an 8 year relationship) there were signs, including heavy breathing and sometimes bodily contortions. Plus verbal claims of having climaxed. All I claim is that some women sometimes climax from cunnilingus. Of course there are also women who can’t, and some who don’t like cunnilingus or are turned off by it. Karl (cont): I dont know what you consider to be erotic turnons. The older woman I lost my virginity to at 19 told me that what turned her on during sex was having a mental image of a vagina engulfing or devouring a cock while repeatedly subvocalizing the word fuck. That is what she advised me to focus on when I was getting soft. My girlfriend did not have erotic imaginings, as I understand the word erotic. Something akin to motherly love and caring, perhaps. JANE: I get tired of men thinking they know it all. It would be really nice to have some women who are prepared to answer questions about our beliefs about female sexuality. A man (Freud) invented the vaginal orgasm. A woman is expected to allow a man to enjoy his own arousal and until he ejaculates. That is not the definition of female sexual pleasure. Karl: Well, I have reported some things women have said to me. Are they liars or deluded? Sure, I don’t know it all, but I know enough to know that some of your general claims in this area, even if they are often true, can’t be universally true. JANE: I provide evidence for my conclusions including the research findings, evolutionary precedents, men & women’s sexual behaviours & by explaining how orgasm is achieved by anyone. You are just giving your opinion based on observing womens behaviours. Celebrating our ability to enjoy eroticism